In this episode, we talk with Ben Sternke and Matt Tebbe authors of “Having the Mind of Christ: Eight Axioms to Cultivate a Robust Faith”. During the conversation, we explore deconstruction, how our response to it impacts those we lead, and much more!
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Conversation Overview:
- Ben & Matt’s Book: Having the Mind of Christ: Eight Axioms to Cultivate a Robust Faith
- “Lenses don’t change the world, but they change how we see the world.”
- What is deconstruction?
- Is deconstruction a bad thing?
- Code-switching
- “We have to abandon the pursuit of the one universal way of describing everything. I think we have to abandon that because it just doesn’t exist.”
- The mental model shift in the book of Acts
- “The kind of deconstruction we’re talking about is necessary.”
About our Ben & Matt

Ben Sternke has over two decades of Christian ministry experience, and has been coaching, consulting, and training leaders since 2010.
He co-founded Gravity Leadership, where he coaches and consults pastors and ministry leaders from all around the world in transformational leadership and discipleship. He is also co-pastor of The Table, a church he planted in Indianapolis, where he and his wife Deb live with their children, and a little dog named Edith.

Matt Tebbe has in local church ministry for over twenty years, and has been a coach, communicator and consultant for churches and pastors since 2011.
He co-founded Gravity Leadership, where he coaches and consults pastors and ministry leaders from all around the world in transformational leadership and discipleship.
He is also co-pastor of The Table, a church he planted in Indianapolis, where he and his wife Sharon live with their children Deacon and Celeste.
Links:
- Having the Mind of Christ: Eight Axioms to Cultivate a Robust Faith
- Nate Pyle
- Gravity Leadership, gravityleadership.com
- theleadersjourney.us/newsletter
- ben@gravityleadership.com
- matt@gravityleadership.com